“I assume that the election promise Fri. the amount of tax-free must wisely chamfered. This year, we should implement a rapid increase that amount, “- says the guy Counterintelligence RMF FM, Deputy Prime Minister and Development Minister Mateusz Morawiecki. Free amount of 5 thousand., Instead of 8 thousand.? “Maybe even less than at the level of 5 thousand.” – Corresponds to the Deputy Prime Minister. Plan Morawiecki? “Absolutely this is the dream of power and glory. We all love Poland, but you have to do it right. We do not want to build gigantic factories, we have no Byzantine gigantism. We want to create a situation where Polish entrepreneurs will have such support, as the German, Austrian or Dutch “- says the guy Counterintelligence. When asked about whether the bank’s president Morawiecki would give credit for the Deputy Morawiecki implementation of the plan, he replies: “Of course!”. “Everything I invested just to plan to succeed” – provides.
Konrad Piasecki In RMF FM and rmf24.pl Deputy Prime Minister and development Minister Mateusz Morawiecki. Good day.
Mateusz Morawiecki: Good morning. I warmly welcome.
For a man fighting Solidarity, Lech Walesa is a character that history should clearly ill-judged?
It is primarily a person who should settle clearly from its the past, because I did not do it in the early 90s and did this huge harm Poland.
But for this assessment of the past is crucial episode in its cooperation with the Security Service, in your opinion?
The episode, which perhaps is not an episode. I do not really know how long it lasted. And to what extent the so-called. “Grip” on Lech Walesa could have security services and for how long. If this is not accounted to the present day, and this episode was very deep, which is unfortunately highly probable that it would “hold” could be very strong.
you for Lech Walesa is sentiment, or rather dislike?
There is a lack of sympathy.
resulting from this episode?
because of the fact that in the early 90s, when this issue has become an open secret and was very widely commented, could not tell “I’m sorry”, he could not settle with his past and was in some sense a pillar of the political mainstream, the lack of settlement, lack of decommunisation, lack of vetting.
This is what is happening today should encourage the government camp to some unthinkable to extend vetting or deepen the vetting?
I was always a supporter of vetting, and now I understand, that it is today, 27 years after the start of the transition period …
But the vetting somehow works …
vetting works very pale.
No, but you’re going to the government made a statement lustration.
Yes, yes.
I somehow will be checked, and so on.
Yes, yes, now more and more people enter the government, who did not have a chance to sign any consent cooperation with SB because of their age.
Does the bank’s president Mateusz Morawiecki would give the Deputy Morawiecki credit for the realization of his plan?
of course, everything would have invested so only this plan to succeed.
And do not say to him, dear Prime Minister, your government has a more than 50-billion deficit budget, has to fulfill a lot of very expensive election promises, you do not think about big investments, you have to worry about how to survive the next year?
It is a question of what model of economic development is selected. Is the model of development very polarized, based on inequality, or more sustainable development, such as for example in Scandinavia? We are much more we try to choose the latter model.
Only that Scandinavia had of what to draw, and today we do not have too much of what you draw, because we have a gigantic debt and sizable budget deficit.
The public debt is very, very high, but it is also the anchor constitutional on the public debt, which is 60 per cent and it also gives us some comfort, and also a warning before crossing.
a is not that bold plans to persuade governments to swipe his hand on these and anchors budget and anchors when it comes to the deficit?
No. Please note in the context of these bold plans, as you called, or plans for sustainable development, first of all, we focus on private capital and increase savings in the long run. So how do you compile with another two sizes, that our public debt, and on the other hand, investment plans, then these are two somewhat different things, because of the debt we have so much money we do not assume.
But you really believe that is impossible to reconcile ambitious pro-development well with the … with distribution, which is written and it was written in the Law and Justice party?
I do not agree on the word distribution, as equal opportunities and the transfer of more resources to those who were injured in these 25 years of transition is a very important duty of all of us.
But this is a dispute semantic .
not really a semantic, and the second thing is worth emphasizing the following relationship. All budgetary expenditure, which as you probably, somewhere in the back of the head, is PLN 500 per child …
500 gold, but I also lowering the retirement age, I have a free or cheap drugs for drugs seniors, increasing the amount of free – everything is expensive.
not everything is expensive. Increasing medication for seniors is a completely different scale than spending 500 gold for the child, but let’s stay with all of these elements together. They actually constitute an increase in budgetary expenditure, on the other hand we have the mobilization of private capital accumulation of private capital and EU and international funds into infrastructure projects and industrial development. These are completely different money, yes it must be said.
So I understand that you do not assume that you will have to put on the scale, one of these promises and say, “This can not be realize “?
I assume because it’s in the context of a completely different too debates, I mentioned that the election promise called “tax-free amount – increase the amount of tax-free “must be wisely chamfered, that is, this year, in my opinion, we should not implement such a sharp increase.
that is not 8000, and for example 5, so ?
Maybe not 5, maybe less – this should be a very good count. First of all, this year is very safe and there will be a lower deficit than even himself assumed, that is my opinion, I think so.
Less than 54, right?
Less than 54, yes.
But you assume that if 40, 30?
Do not assume that we have not done the calculations, but certainly less. However, in the next year you have a very good popatrzyć how can additionally download money from the VAT and CIT, which escapes out there, different gaps just to know how much they can afford.
you are assuming that one of the flywheels, also for your program, may be money OFE?
no, I was not even in the program.
Do not you have somewhere in the back of the head, such an idea?
Rather would say otherwise, that the Stock Exchange Polish should work and build mechanisms such stable, long-term safety to all those who want to raise capital the stock market know that it is a very good place, and all who wish to invest in the stock market your savings also knew that in the long term they can be not only safe but also beneficial.
we have a great plan Morawiecki, combat drones, electric cars made in Poland and next to screech financial reality. This is a typical right-wing dream of power and glory. So says Jacek Rostowski.
I would have rather told otherwise. We have some programs with a service and industrial, mainly industrial, since we know that the world we beat up primarily of the highest value-added products and services sold. So we do not want to let go just absolutely wrestling all industries, we want to support them. Support wisely. We do not want to build gigantic factories, we do not have here some Byzantine gigantism. We want above all lead to a situation where Polish entrepreneurs will at least have such support, as the German, Austrian or Dutch.
That is not a big dream of power and glory, and the method of small steps ?
Absolutely dream of power and chwale..Oczywiście that we all have …
But the method of small steps implemented?
of course, we all love Poland, just as you began the story of how even communism was, therefore, I have a huge dream of power and glory, but you must do it wisely, as they have done to other countries, which today are powerful.
But you know that others have failed, yours predecessors. They, too, were wandering big plans for power and glory, and something failed, huh?
Maybe there was little determination, and perhaps it is worth paying attention to such factors trivial, it is a term that circulates in public space, namely the “Polish ministerial.”
A need to pay attention also to the human factor, ie, if there were no Morawiecki, his plan to fall apart?
no, I think that today already, when in cooperation with a number of other ministers managed to build this plan, it is the plan just the whole government, no people irreplaceable.
I understand that feeling Mr. strong support and the head of government, but also the president of PiS.
Oh, I feel great support, of course, the head of government, head of Law and Justice, and not just those people. Of course, I feel great support of the whole Law and Justice, he met with parliamentarians, met with the presidium of the club on many forums.
And when you hear expediency here and there visions that will pan successor Yaroslav Kaczynski speaks it to your ambition?
I have not heard any such vision. I really think that there are some speculations.
But perhaps speculation pleasing to the Lord’s heart?
I’ll skip this silence.
Does the government will take the change in the law francs, I’m talking about the Law on currency translation francs, as you can understand, is not impressed by what came out of the Presidential Palace.
Government at the moment is not working on this law francs, for a suggested option the president and now look forward to a more detailed analysis, but I think we should put here to work or to make a deal between the two groups, which until now could not get along. One approached the emotional and the other perhaps too too little hearts on hand.
So the world of banking and political world, as I understand it?
No, the world bank borrowers and the world.
also borrowers. But that all politicians must pass somehow.
It does not have. It would be best if not passed by politicians. So that was perfect, and if they can not, then we will help.
And you agree with the thesis that this project presidential is dangerous for the Polish banking system?
this project presidential, if passed, if true are the primary calculation, which we now have, or 40 billion loss etc. or amount like that would be a big threat for the sector, yes.
Mateusz Morawiecki, thank you very much.
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