̶ Some of our applications management KW already took into account and introduces specific solutions. But the effects need to wait, it takes time – he said the portal wnp.pl Adam Gawęda, Law and Justice senator, head of the audit team in KW.
You were surprised by the audit scale irregularities in the Coal Company, or expect you this?
– Naturally it was to be expected. On the other hand the enormity and scale of the problems and irregularities faced by the company, its various mines and factories – but he was a surprise for all members of the team that conducted the audit in the Company.
Of course, we were aware that It will not be easy in such a short time – because the audit last month – examine particular areas.
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But it lacked the determination and will to thoroughly analyze it. To all documents, and there were hundreds of them, examine, verify and analyze. From this arose after the final conclusions of the report.
There is no shortage opinion that this audit should be a contribution to a further, in-depth research. What do you say?
– We note that there are some areas that need additional audit. I mean the economy of the bed, or details on the operation of third party orders and executed for mines.
We also see the need to address these issues, which concern the coal trade. The trade and distribution of coal carried out by Coal Company does not meet the needs of the market. It is too inflexible.
I must admit that during the audit of outsiders, including operators wishing to address trade coal, they indicated that they are facing serious problems. Therefore, this area also should include audit.
Do therefore this additional audit will be conducted in the Coal Company?
– Minister of Energy Krzysztof Tchórzewski turned to us asking is that if we believe that we can still work in selected areas, it will need additional follow-up audit. It will be devoted to selected problems, which have just said.
You will be led the team conducting the follow-up audit? When will the work?
– I led the team conducting the audit. Even before Christmas to organize a working meeting and discuss and agree what action and what date we will pursue.
Theme for the coal trade interests of many …
– Right a. During the presentation of the report of representatives of the public asked it for information about the policy of coal sales in the earlier period.
So what?
– The unions want to see how this matter was as if, when coal prices on European markets rise, and energy received this our coal – colloquially speaking – with a bonus.
How many will take this up audit in the Company?
– The second stage should take about a month. I spoke with representatives of the supervisory board KW. They see the need to examine issues related to the operation of subsidiaries. It is also about outsourcing services to external companies for the actual needs of the mines and the whole company.
In your opinion, certain irregularities taking place in the Coal Company should take the prosecutor’s office?
– the next meeting I want to take, inter alia, the analysis of what we have examined and checked. In addition, I intend to ask team members to think about which areas require in-depth examination by the competent services, namely, for example, by the prosecution.
The team that will carry out the follow-up audit in KW, will be extended, or will work in the same team?
– Rather in the same composition. If it is the will of the Minister of Energy to expand the team – we are open. Minister fact indicated that the team may be supplemented by experts in the field of economics or law.
Representatives of the mining trade unions point out that the conclusions of the audit in KW confirm their opinion that they should not go to the mining portfolio only address issues of system and reducing the outflow of money from the company. What do you think?
– It is quite right. In contrast, today, when we create a Polish group Mining, we can not afford to since the beginning of operation of the group generated a deficit.
In connection with the arrangements for the implementation of the conclusions of the audit must go in parallel with work on the revision of the remuneration system.
if we now assumed that introduce only systemic changes, you should be aware of the fact that they will bring results in the perspective of six months, year, or two years.
We note that some of our claims management KW took already into account and introduces specific solutions. But the effects need to wait, it takes time.
We can not afford to creating Polish Group Mining immediately bring it to a situation in which there is now Coal Company.
flowing from the report after the audit conclusions are the basis for this, to create a roadmap for the Coal Company and the Polish Mining Group. So that each proposal take into account the time, the scope and possibilities of its implementation.
You can not today – not limiting to some extent the possibility of a more flexible remuneration – to obtain the effect, which will allow Polish Mining Group to achieve the so-called. Zero plus, or a positive financial result
Do you believe in the fact that the compounds will agree to change the rules of remuneration before the Polish Group Mining uprising?
– Do not I know that the unions agree to do it. I’m talking while employees Coal Company.
In the opinion of many workers raises concern about the future of the company, which is their breadwinner.
And in this perspective, I see the possibility of a more flexible area-related salaries. And if the unions agree to do it? I believe that only through honest dialogue can be achieved. Only honest dialogue and lining of all issues on the table will allow you to reach a consensus.
This audit report shows that nothing hid, nothing we did not want swept under the carpet.
We have disclosed all these sensitive issues that relate to the cooperation of individual organizational units to another, horizontally or vertically. In short – on the lines of cooperation: pion-pion production trade. It does not work well, a lot of need to improve.
And if today is anything in the Company, which works flawlessly?
– I think that the same improvement program the effectiveness of forced some action directed to seek savings and efficiency improvements. It is impossible not to notice that the changes occur.
But mining is not the industry in which today the change tomorrow takes effect.
Mining is a sector where changes takes time, and the effects are possible only after a few months, a year, or two years.
If the board of the Coal Company will adopt the road map, which will determine how to implement the conclusions of the audit, the social side should also be open to to adopt such an attitude to basket wages become more flexible.
often unionists emphasize that they agree on the different solutions provided that the miner for the whole year will earn the same amount. Da so?
– I do not know if this is possible. I think that probably not. In this first step, the so-called. basket size of the remuneration should be paralyzed.
And in the case when all the projects related to the improvement of efficiency will begin to bear fruit – honestly you will be able to show results and that it has been earned profit. I point out that certain measures are needed to fulfill prior commitments and determine how much can be spent on it, to raise wages.
But today, you have to think of something opposite: on the stabilization of this in a way that does not generate losses. In my opinion, without moving cart salaries can not do that.
Do you believe in the success of the project called the Polish Group Mining?
– Of course. I think that this is the chance to introduce new systems. Above all, management. This may include production planning, from designing your rozcinki by scheduling the course of the walls, the design and planning of the walls higher performance.
On to each mine was at least one wall, which allows the extraction of four or five thousand tons of coal per day.
Interview by Jerzy Dudała
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